“May” is the operative word here. and what happened to the piece of scalp lost to the dark witches (CROWS) ?……, Wikipedia has it that then NASA manager Abe Silverstein, thought that the image of “Apollo riding his chariot across the Sun was appropriate to the grand scale of the proposed program.”. Tardigrades, which live on every continent on Earth, are also (maybe) living on the moon, following the crash of a lunar lander carrying thousands of the microscopic water bears. But you won’t see symptoms for 2 days. When the Apollo astronauts walked on the moon, the dust clung to their spacesuits, scratched their visors and made their eyes water and their throats sore. No organisms have been found on the Moon, but the water molecules found on the lunar surface today may be remnants of the events mentioned by the University researchers. But its lack of an atmosphere adds to or exa… Essential Needs If we were to colonize the moon, we would need our basic requirements of materials. I’ll ignore most of your statement which is essentially just reiterating your statement that facts are irrelevant, and just say this: Of course theories are important. Etc. I doubt the Apollo astronauts suffered that much, for the exposure was comparatively transient. These are verified summaries provided by the mathematics in the model, and borne out by observed data that was obtained by the mathematical model and subsequent experimentation. With such a short sojourn, they caught merely a glimpse of the risks associated with survival there. Lunar regolith is physically and chemically different from sand, soil and dust on Earth. Nearby asteroids are a great source of carbon and platinum ores—and water, once pioneers figure out how to mine the stuff. It also changes cell cycles in tissues. Asbestos directly makes you sick. Facts are unimportant in science, because they have no intrinsic value. A good degaussing and an electro-static discharge station would help, too. If we observe things like that, then our theory’s predictive capability has been proven. The habitat would also need to be equipped with lights to help counter the effects of sleep deprivation. Ok, I’ll have to consider this carefully. Throw in the intense contrast between light and dark — unlike anything we see here on Earth — and those changes in the terrain can play tricks on your eyes. Yeah man, everything is toxic in excessive amount so only take a spoonful of moon at a time. Water runoff filtered and reused, of course. I’m not interested in discussing anything with someone who is going to be rudely defensive. Also, observations NEVER EVER WILL CONFIRM a fact. Some sceptics, who claim that man has never reached the moon, say that man can not pass this belt because of the strong, fatal radiation for him. I agree 100% with your provided reference as to what a FACT is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicosis Although more tests can be thought of to more conclusively prove this, such as: what is she actually doing while she’s in bed with him? But as it does so, the wind does not flow evenly into the bottoms of the deep craters at the poles. Ouch, eh? Life on the moon would be very different for explorers than life on Earth. As you can see, your short example has led to a good case study in how science works, and should serve to show you that you are utterly ignorant of the subject matter you deem yourself capable of debating with me. As long as the lead-in paragraph “above the fold” accurately portrays the true nature of the article, IMO, all’s fair in love and blogging. toxicity reactions. The Moon's gravity is low. why moon dust could be carcinogenic. You can contract the rhino virus and be sick immediately. You’ll end up broke and crying in the street. An international team of researchers has attempted to quantify the health dangers of the Moon — or at least its dust-filled regolith. Food Shelter Water Oxygen NASA says the lunar pits on the moons surface, can provide future astronauts with shelter Wow! But on the moon, that same shift occurs once every 28 days. However, once in deep space – on the way to the Moon or Mars, for example – the dangers of lethal doses of radiation become an increasing worry and … When NASA sent the Curiosity rover hurtling to Mars in 2011, it packed a stow away: an instrument designed to measure the radiation throughout the trek. Reality is truly more interesting than anything we can imagine. So to summarize: moon dust is abrasive, so don’t get it in your eyes, rub it on your skin, or inhale it. Sharp, clingy and toxic. The basis of the pyramid are repeatable observations under strictly specified conditions. And yet, in total, Mr. Schmitt spent just 22 hours on the surface. Close. While the research behind the paper used data about airborne pollutants known to exist on Earth and simulated lunar dust particles, actual lunar dust is harder to test. Experience from ‘debates’ with AGW deniers, in the Universe Today comments, has taught me that the likes of you are only trolling for a reaction! Rather, laws describe reality as best as the theory from which they came can describe it. the health hazards of the Moon’s fine, powdery dust — which plagued Apollo astronauts both in and out of their suits — are investigated in detail (or as best as they can be without actually being on the Moon with the ability to collect pristine samples.). Mining on the moon would remove some mass, but I don't think you'd notice. I know it’s tempting to go for attention-grabbing tabloid-like headlines, but it’s a tad insulting to this site’s audience who are usually intelligent enough to see through it (as evidenced by every single slightly controversial heading being called out in the comments… which is often tedious and predictable, but also necessary feedback in my opinion). We can detox radioactive and chemical pollutants, how hard would it be prepare a detox protocol for a lunar habitat. log in sign up. The sharp shadows had fooled the astronauts. 3. In total, 12 Apollo astronauts lived on the lunar surface for roughly 10 days, and traveled outside their lander for only 80 hours. Topographic maps, however, revealed an easy, 21-degree slope. Tourists may also be interested in a short visit. We are still testing aspects of the Theory of General Relativity, although many aspects of it has been verified in different ways, in different experiments, and by different groups of people. It now has all the funding it needs to send a robotic spacecraft to the moon in 2017. They are therefore unimportant. This will be a set of observations, laws, models, and explanations for the same, along with predictions of what might happen or be observed in certain situations. Why not get with the program – you appear have something to offer in these discussions, but no sense of respect or dipolmacy. Obviously though, if we want to make long term habitats on these bodies we need to work this problem more. Those cosmic rays have the power to charge through both strands of DNA, snapping them in two and causing cancer. Examples include alkaline dust blown from dry lakes in North American deserts, wood dust from sawmills and logging operations, and, of … Or it does, just not enough? But it wouldn’t avoid the dust problem completely, would it? Instead, the institute’s computer model shows its low-mass electrons easily flowing over the jagged edges of the craters and into their bottoms, creating a negatively charged cloud. And Dr. Scheuring added that such a habitat would need a strong airlock where astronauts could clean off the dust before entering the main living area. I don’t think you’d want to carry enough to replace them every time they started getting clogged. I said you have previously held beliefs “, in which facts have value, and theories do not have value, because you deem theories to be unproven, while somehow facts are proven and therefore you think – completely incorrectly – that facts have value.”. | Sign up for the weekly Science Times email.]. But you’re still sick, whether or not you immediately see the symptoms. The explanations offered by the article summary above does not contain anything that can be used to classify moon dust as toxic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos. 6. So it looks like Portal 2 was right, ground up moon rocks are pure poison. You come in the airlock, pressurise, blast the nooks and cranies with an air jet, then hose everything down. However, living on a moon provides an extra dimension of complications. I’m just a casual reader and your abrasive temperment is obvious to me. in poison would be worse than a round smooth rock coated in poison. True to form, a few years from now, a report will state that a little bit of moon dust everyday will help keep one healthy. The lava tubes carved by ancient volcanic activity could potentially be turned into spacious living spaces. Side image: a dusty Gene Cernan in the LM at the end of an Apollo 17 EVA. For the benefit of other readers, dude. Future space suits may remain outside and seldom enter a crewed habitat. 3. Here are the most serious risks. So you’ve added no value. The idea of a human colony on Titan, a moon of Saturn, might sound crazy. If you’re sick, you’re sick. In 1968, NASA launched Apollo 8. The highest level of anything the scientific method can produce. Water is liquid and can respond to gravity more dramatically. When moon dust is disturbed, small particles float about, land, and glue themselves to everything.Regolith does not brush off easily, and breathing it can cause pulmonary fibrosis, the lunar equivalent of black lung. It would still be a theory.). “Stanton and Layard hypothesized in 1977–78 that toxicity of fibrous materials is not initiated by chemical effects”. As the article indicates there has been physical erosion to reduce sharp points and concoidal fracture edges. They will not need external cleaning. The samples returned by the Apollo missions have not been kept in a true lunar-like environment — being removed from exposure to radiation and not stored in a vacuum, for instance — and as such may not accurately exhibit the properties of actual dust as it would be encountered on the Moon. The surface of Uranus' moon Miranda (seen here) is pocked with craters, but humans might be able to find a way to settle it. Please learn something about science. He made no actual comment of his own. On Earth, sleep deprivation makes us fuzzy, but on the moon it is plain dangerous. Asbestos fibers are cancerogenous for the exact same reason these dusts can be whatever their chemical makeup. There’s got to be a way to clean them, though. This is not a toxic property either. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! When the Apollo astronauts walked on the moon, the dust clung to their spacesuits, scratched their visors and made their eyes water and their throats sore. 1. Theory: My wife is having an affair (Note that even if this theory is conclusively proven to be true, it would still not be a fact. Laws. A final cleaning using ultrasound after the suit is off could be done while the suit goes through a thorough inspection and any necessary repairs are done. Within their research the team, which included physiologists, pharmacologists, radiologists and toxicologists from 5 countries, investigated some of the following potential health hazards of lunar dust: Inhalation. Similar lights have already been installed on the space station, where individual sleeping compartments can be darkened to simulate night. Eye Damage. The Moon is in a tidal lock with Earth, meaning as it orbits around Earth, the same side of the Moon is always facing the planet. Except in the same way that a knife could, because it can cut you, but a knife isn’t toxic, is it? Before too long, the astronauts couldn't help but breathe in the stuff, and Schmitt later complained of congestion and a kind of "lunar hay fever." Moon dust, […], does not interfere with the biological processes. Moon dust, at least according to the information provided in this article, does not interfere with the biological processes. This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License. Geezzz Corrie…. Light is fast. No-one can’t say I haven’t tried. Astronauts reported the Moon smelled like gunpowder. of large numbers of free radicals and excess electron sites on the surface of dust grains. I’m suspecting the author of that sentence doesn’t know what he/she is talking about, and made a very unscientific, silly guess. That is bad news for future lunar bases, which might be vulnerable to the shaking. Yes, the textbook is wrong, because it didn’t add false information to “qualify” things in a way that suits you. NASA certainly tries to achieve high levels of safety and there’s nothing wrong with that. Are you now going to find some other word in the Wikipedia copy-and-paste which you imagine to invalidate my point? These folks just want to discuss ideas with friendly debate about what is or isn’t viable. We can't be so sure that, the moon will provides us our demands. Lets just hope the “recycled” water is only used for cleaning. I’ve read a lot of SF books about people living on the Moon, no one ever seems to have considered toxic dust as a possibility. Well, while the arxiv paper is more clear about the potential toxicity, it does NOT state that moon dust is toxic because it can cut your skin or lungs. LC. This can be isolated. could “interfere with biological processes” — i.e., the likely presence Asbestos directly interferes with an organism that inhales it, or absorbes it through its skin. Because there is no air on the moon, dust never erodes. Fact: My wife is in bed with another man, We can skip the math, model, hypothesis for the purposes of this explanation, 3. Of particular note by the research team is abrasive damage to the outer layer of skin at sites of “anatomical prominence”, i.e., fingers, knuckles, elbows, knees, etc. You put zero effort into your grand response. Sleep may not come easy on the moon. Researchers have revealed that lunar dust is far more dangerous than previously thought. He researched dangers like cosmic rays and radiation, ... For his entry, Asa Schultz, who tied for first in the high school division, focused on the needs of people living on the moon. In the case of lung tissue this can induce an auto-immune disorder that destroys tissue, which is emphysema. Essential Needs If we were to colonize the moon, we would need our basic requirements of materials. Why should I make “an actual comment of [my] own”? Schultz's drawing "Pole Colony" depicts greenhouses and solar panels on the surface of the moon. If we are going to have space probes on the moon, should they be on the light or dark side of the moon? Unless you want to tell me that knives are toxic because it can cut your eyes, your skin, and your lungs? “The Moon is Toxic”…”… . Also to recapture the water, you’d have to pressurize the mudporch, which would make it an expensive piece of equipment. First you whinge on about Moon dust being “non Toxic”, then when proven wrong you say ” If it’s true that moon dust interferes with oxygen absorption, then lunar dust is toxic. Anyone who grew up with the Apollo moon launches in the 1970s, along with the movie "2001: A Space Odyssey" (which premiered in 1968), was left with the impression that there would be c­olonies on the moon any day now. A dime a dozen, and without intrinsic meaning. Like pollutants encountered on Earth, such as asbestos and volcanic ash,”. (according to the original article) that could actually make it more However, astronauts who stay at a lunar base or colony might find there are unexpected consequences from this. But facts have no intrinsic value. asteroids. Beyond the obvious hazards that arise from a rocket flight, zero-gravity nausea and a risky landing, the moon itself can be deadly. Or having an atmosphere you get erosion and it prevents that? So what? High Tides ... An abiotic factor is a non-living part of an ecosystem that shapes its environment. Undoubtedly, it's a wonderful place to explore, especially with augmented reality vision. Instead rock will be dug out, the ore poor rock will be discarded back on the moon as slag (no mass loss), and the ore will be processed (slight mass loss). It does not accurately use the term “toxic” (while the linked article on arxiv does use the term correctly). NASA has revealed its plans attempting to get humans living on Mars in the next few decades. That combined with designs where the spacesuit rarely comes in the habitat at all; instead is attached outside and entered from a back plate should, at least, considerably reduce the problem. Lunar soil particles are sometimes even coated in a glassy shell, the result of rock vaporization by meteorite impacts. The very notion is stupid. You would also be able to see Earth go through phases, just like you saw the Moon do from Earth! It … http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=34093. In your scenario: 1. that will do damage to tissues and then present more surface for the Artificial light revolutionized life on earth. Why so rude? Oh well. 1. Mars has silica and iron oxide. They specifically discuss how it has chemical properties that A wash station could be used to get 95% of the remaining. scratched lenses, solar panels etc). “Sleep is the biggest thing to protect for a crew member,” Albert Holland, a NASA psychologist, said. The moon has lots of aluminum. uploaded by neomam. But facts are just reality. Since these dust particles interact so much with cells, I would think some sort of inorganic or organic cellular technology would be the ultimate dust buster. The moon’s tidal force has a much greater effect on the surface of the ocean, of course. User account menu. Only substances can have the quality of toxicity. Turns out that simply using ultrasonics snaps carbon nanotubes down in size, despite such nanotubes being ~ 100 times stronger than steel at that size. These technologies, so crucial on the Moon and Mars, might help on Earth, too, by protecting people from sharp-edged or toxic dust on our own planet. Now that's a Moon I'd have no problem living on. But as our nights grow increasingly bright, its … Facts and observatios are not the same thing at all. This seems to be a generic problem outside of Earth, which general physical and chemical dust properties we have evolved to handle. 7. Lunar regolith has been found to be very sharp-edged, mainly because it hasn’t undergone the same kind of erosive processes that soil on Earth has. 3. it is quite dangerous out there as thousands and thousands of spacial objects hit on the surface. 4. it is so cold out there we will be freezed in asecond if we expose ourselves. As a result any sort of assault could have long term effects. Am prettay sure this subject has been covered before at UT? However, living on a moon provides an extra dimension of complications. The result of an observation can be a fact, but still meaningless. And the stakes are high. > Why is moon dust dangerous to humans? It damaged the seals on the boxes of rock and soil that they brought back to Earth. One possible way to avoid the dust problem is to setup shop where there is little or no dust. We can't be so sure that, the moon will provides us our demands. Now: do you actually understand what you’ve pasted there? Good point. You put the cut right after “The moon itself may be toxic to humans” in bold. Wow, you assume a lot about where I’m coming from based on a two sentence reply. This is my gripe with the article summary: Only repeatable obvervations have some value. The dust is just one problem, but we can engineer around that if necessary. This could be done while the astronaut is still in the suit. Here is a part of the article you might have skipped O THY FAT ONE. With the ‘backpack’ functioning as a docking port and airlock, an astronaut may simply open a door on the wall and enter their suit. Asbestos does not “directly make you sick”, It takes 15 to 20 years from asbestos inhalation to lung cancer. At the same time, the danger of irradiating space crews could be avoided by properly making the shell of the spacecraft. The image was taken during Voyager 2's flyby of the Uranus system in 1986. After all, we’ve done it before. Let’s see: In 2017, Purdue University researchers helped discover a lava tube on the moon that could protect astronauts from hazardous conditions on the surface. En route to another world, astronauts will be bombarded with cosmic radiation: tiny, high-energy atom fragments that whiz through space and can damage cells and DNA. 7. This sends a cascade of signals that cause the secondary immune response. So it’s a conclusive fact then, is it? I repeeted myself a lot, so that the message can get through. 2. Moron. Any lunar space suit will need periodic maintenance. Any irritation to tissue induces a primary immune response which causes further irritation. This is very much NOT a toxic substance, by the facts presented in this article. My comparison with a tabloid is rather unfair then, since they tend to hide the truth in last paragraph! Nasa has been developing a space suit that can be accessed through an airlock. The moon might also be rippling. If you think my statement is ridiculous, it’s because you have previously held beliefs, in which facts have value, and theories do not have value, because you deem theories to be unproven, while somehow facts are proven and therefore you think – completely incorrectly – that facts have value. We did not evolve to manage the geochemistry of other planetary bodies. Living on the Moon would be expensive. To enter, just open the door, jump inside your suit, close, detach, and walk. Even though lunar explorers would be wearing protective gear, suit-bound dust can easily make its way back into living and working areas — as Apollo astronauts quickly discovered. Your pasted information supports my factual rendition of what the word toxic means. People on Earth are protected from cosmic rays thanks to Earth’s magnetic field, but an unprotected, Mars-bound astronaut would receive 0.3 sieverts of radiation on a one-way trip—that’s hardly close to the lethal dose of 8 sieverts or even the radiation sickness–causing dose of 1 sievert, but researchers think that amount (equivalent to 24 comp… The researchers conclude that only studies conducted on-site will fill the gaps in our knowledge of lunar dust toxicity.

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